Look, to hell with the portal.
I'm offering 750 coins to the first person to tell me how to determine what times the cloud will be over the mirror, allowing an exile to enter the mirror on that occasion and all future occasions (if indeed this is how it works, as I understand.)
When I receive this information, I will publish it free of charge here on TMN. Once this information is freely available, cloud access will no longer be an issue. And people can drag the portal wherever they please.
The challenge is on.
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AUTHOR: Mongo
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DATE: 08/09/2003 10:37:13 AM
I'll double that amount.
(That is, whoever gives Paramedic the info will receive another 750 coins from me the next time we're both in town after I've successfully made it to the cloud through the mirror using the info :)
BEER!
Mongo
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AUTHOR: Commodus
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DATE: 08/09/2003 10:47:02 AM
I will pay the person 750 as well next time we are both in town I am sucessfully through the mirrror
Commodus
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DATE: 08/09/2003 10:48:03 AM
From what I understand, if you touch the mirror and it shimmers the cloud is close. I don't think there is any real time frame when it comes, more of a random thing. But if it shimmers it's close and it's coming, or it's close and already left. When it's open, you will just pop in. You can't see it.
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AUTHOR: Larno
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DATE: 08/09/2003 10:48:27 AM
I will put another 1,000 coins on that.
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AUTHOR: Odes
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DATE: 08/09/2003 11:15:07 AM
Wow! Where do all these pepo;le get their coins?!?
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AUTHOR: Connie Crete
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DATE: 08/09/2003 11:31:11 AM
k,
Me and Shard has sum theories about tha cloud. Shard has a couple o ideas on how ta lure it. Talk ta him when ya see him in tha lands. Ta git it ta do right takes tha patience o a mystic.
Tha mirror shimmers when tha cloud be 2 snells or less away.
We caint decide ifn it be a tiny critter like a 'thereal cloud point what that moves like swamp gas and has tha attention span o a 6ï fighter onna newbie hunt or ifn it be a snell wide critter.
Ifn ya sits in tha snell with tha cloud and never moves and nobudy else enters yer snell, then it dont cross.
Beer!
Connie
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AUTHOR: Zhirem
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DATE: 08/09/2003 05:51:26 PM
Pretty lame challange.
But how about this "sit at the mirror for 2 days and if it doesnt open your just too ugly to get in"
Z
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AUTHOR: Klur
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It's not really that simple. Even if you can get on the cloud getting off is less than pleasant unless one of the portals is reasonable.
Many can still get off and survive but probably not most that actually go to the cloud on a regular basis.
In any case one portal has been nicely tucked away it should remain for a while. I don't recommend any one take it. :)
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AUTHOR: friend of PM
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DATE: 08/09/2003 06:26:03 PM
Honestly Klur, do you only come out of the lib to fuck with what other people have put in place?
and only post here to be arrogant and self righteous about your above mentioned fucking?
go crawl into a hole and die or something. please.
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AUTHOR: Sabbit
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DATE: 08/09/2003 09:24:25 PM
I hear one end is in lava somewhere. Have we considering adding public execution to the court system?
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AUTHOR: Michael
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DATE: 08/09/2003 10:07:03 PM
Yes its in the Lava of UK right now (glad I scouted with a throw away alt). I am sure it took either a party or a GM to get it there too. The names I heard were Reye, Klur, Prue and Tere.
This isnt anything that can be confirmed of course, but it was being said by a well known exile that I consider trustworthy. I cant think of another party that could and would in the time I know it happened either, and I REALLY dont think even the biggest asshole of a GM would do this.
No suprise to see Klur on the list, we all know he gets off on trying to control things. And Prue is just nasty most of the time (IC or not, she is still a bitch). I dont know whot he fuck Tere is, but I am sure she (he?) is a looser too. Was disappointed to see Reye up there though, I thought he was a decent guy, not someone who enjoyed making exiles depart. I guess being around Klur can turn anyone into an asshole.
Michael
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AUTHOR: Jeanne
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DATE: 08/09/2003 11:32:39 PM
Since one of the portals is in Umbrion's Keep and the other is in the hut on Kizmia's Island, does this mean that even if a person can get to the Cloud there really is no safe way to get off besides jumping?
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AUTHOR: Odes
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DATE: 08/10/2003 12:27:16 AM
I have long since given up on the portal. It's become some sort of plaything for the rich and powerful, not for the likes of lowly players to mess with. So screw it. Stupid concept and crappy execution.
I'll add 100 coins to the challenge (hey, I'm poor). Either that or Ethereal Nails to nail the stupid portal in a place where it will provide the majority good, not a convenience for a few who claim to control it.
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DATE: 08/10/2003 12:35:20 AM
Who the fuck is Michael to point out how much of an asshole anyone else is?
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AUTHOR: cyberbeing
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DATE: 08/10/2003 01:43:31 AM
Anyone watched the japan anime "Laputa"? Many people want to go there for wealth & power. But at last it gone forever. Hope the cloud over Puddleby won't have the same ending.
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AUTHOR: AwasteOftime
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Children....
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AUTHOR: Bob the Archer
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DATE: 08/10/2003 07:32:19 AM
It is a sad state of affairs when Michael would prefer the Mystic Council to be in control of moving the portal to the current pathetic mess.
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AUTHOR: Connie Crete
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DATE: 08/10/2003 08:13:48 AM
Lemme see ifn I unnerstands this.
Whenever tha portal moves off tha cloud, it goes ta a place what usually takes a couple o hour commitment and not everybudy kin enjoy.
Anybudy who says HH or KI aint a couple o hours dun already spent so much there time that it aint no longer that kinda commitment.
Tha second move tha portal takes either ta tha DP or tha lava room be tha same, jest a different order o magnitude. All tha second move does is puts tha pepple what benefitted from tha trainers grotto/ ki move inta tha same "gee, I caint have fun with that" group as tha exiles what could only hunt tha cloud via tha portal.
Sure, tha portal coulda moved back ta tha cloud, but whyfer should tha lava folks be any more altruistic than tha folks what put it on ki?
Connie
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AUTHOR: Mjollnir
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Why should it be on the cloud on the first place? what makes that area so much more valuable than Ki of FH or OOB?
http://www.vagilemind.com/clanlord/viewtopic.php?t=307
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It would make it a lot easier to get off the cloud alive, Mjollnir.
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And right now, there's no way up to the cloud for most people, except via portal. That's why we need this challenge, Mjollnir. So we can get to the cloud when people like you move it away from the cloud.
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The porters would make it a lot easier to get away from just about *anywhere* alive, duh. That's why there's an issue in the first place.
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AUTHOR: Michael
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I have no problem with the teleporters going to different places. KI, Cloud, FHs, whatever. My personal favorite is of course KI (because I go there a lot, and I think its the largest benifit. Face it, new cloud blows.)
What I dont like is people who go out of their way to ruin the fun of others. Moving it to someplace you think its useful is one thing, putting it into the middle of a pool of lava because you are having a hissy fit because it doesnt go where you want it is another.
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AUTHOR: Mjollnir
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DATE: 08/10/2003 03:22:43 PM
Right now there's no easy way for many people to get onto ki or to OOB, if you're that desperate to get onto the cloud you could always as somebody to chain you in.
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"If you're that desperate"; I like the way you denigrate the people who want to use it to go to the cloud, like somehow that's less important than where YOU want to go. How self-centered.
If you're that desperate to go to KI or OOB, you could always form a hunting party and make an expedition.
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AUTHOR: Insanelife
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DATE: 08/10/2003 04:56:33 PM
This whole portal thing is gettin people so fuckin angry i'm startin to think the GM's should just get rid of it.....
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AUTHOR: Sognus
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I pretty much agree with Insanelife at this point, really. I like the idea of a portal, but if it creates this kind of disagreement, then I think it should definitly be scrapped.
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AUTHOR: Mongo
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DATE: 08/10/2003 07:23:43 PM
If there were a safe way onto and off of the cloud through the mirror, I doubt most exiles would care where the portals went.
Assuming someone figures out away to predict (somewhat accurately) when the cloud wiil be over the SF mirror, then getting onto the mirror would be possible for everyone that was interested. I count 3250 coins being offered for that info now.
But, since most exiles (yes, MOST) can not survive being dropped on KI or UK by themselves (or a leap from the cloud) finding a way back to town without departing is still a problem. (FWIW, I'm a 4th circle fighter, and I _might_ be able to survive all 3, if I get lucky, but since I can no longer get to the cloud, I can't even give it a try :P ).
So, if there are any GM's reading this, how about putting a mirror (or permanent portal or whatever) on the cloud that takes you back to the SF mirror? This will allow the majority of us to visit (and return from) the mirror, once we figure out when the cloud will visit the SF mirror.
And the uber-exiles can screw with the portals all they want to make their trips to the fringes quicker without screwing the rest of us that would just like to visit the cloud.
BEER!
Mongo
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AUTHOR: Sabbit
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DATE: 08/10/2003 08:36:40 PM
It's hilarious how many posts have no names. You guys/gals are all pussies. Nothing you write I will ever take seriously until you attach one of your character's names to it.
It doesn't suprise me that people who use their character name have the best ideas.
-Sabbit
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AUTHOR: Commodus
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Well I took Klur to court and lost and it cost me 700C
malkor (4 person and one was PM)
8/11/03 1:38:41a Kani says, "This case symbolized the issue of moving the portals."
8/11/03 1:38:53a Kani says, "We voted along the lines of whether or nai people should be able to move them wherever they want."
I guess people wan others to die when they go through the portal
and they younger exiles 4th and lower to use it
Commodus
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AUTHOR: Malkor
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Libel! I'm as impartial as they come!
Without a "hang them both" verdict to choose, I had to let one of the bastards go. Don't be so upset that the coin came up tails.
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AUTHOR: Mjollnir
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DATE: 08/11/2003 02:47:48 AM
""If you're that desperate"; I like the way you denigrate the people who want to use it to go to the cloud, like somehow that's less important than where YOU want to go. How self-centered."
Arnt you doing exactly the same thing to the people who want it somewhere other than the cloud?
And why exactly is the cloud MORE important?
Why should having it on Ki be any more self centreed that having it on the cloud?
If you get exp on the cloud there are a long list of places where you can hunt and get exp pretty much all of them close to town and dont require any sort of lengthy time commitment.
If you only get exp in places like ki but dont have the time for a 3 hour hunt well then you're screwed because there is no way off ki except to see it through to the very end, thats all the group who put it on ki were trying to put a stop to, and you're trying to say that this idea is self centred?
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AUTHOR: Ruen
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DATE: 08/11/2003 05:58:57 AM
Having one end of the portals in the lava is extremely rude. It benefits no one except perhaps the sick people who brough it there, most likely in the hopes of causing unsuspecting exiles to fall and possibly depart. Whether they had the right to move it there is another issue. Usually you have the right to be rude, but that doesn't mean it isn't bad behaviour.
Having one end in town and one end on the cloud benefits people like me. Contrary to what some people seem to think, the new cloud is a fabulous hunting ground. For a small party of folks in the high 2nd circle range its a great place to hunt and fills a much-needed niche for those who are rapidly outgrowing South Forest. Having one end in town and one end in the trainers grotto benefits 3rd and 4th circle fighters and those who want to hunt the orga outback. Having one end in town and one end on KI benefits the elite exiles who hunt KI regularly.
Having the portals in any one place means that they only benefit one of these groups, but having them move around too quickly is frustrating to people who were planning on them being in a certain place. I'd like to propose that perhaps a polite convention might be to move them once per chaos storm. Since the chaos storms may move them anyway, whomever gets their act together first can move the portals to their desired location and expect to have them stay there until the next storm. The only caveat on the location would be that one end should be in a relatively safe place near town, and the other end should be in as safe a location as possible in an area useful to a range of exiles, and not in the same place as it was in the previous storm. That way the portal will be of use to a wide variety of exiles, the location will rotate through a few different useful locations, and those who take the initiative to move the portals will get a decent benefit from their hard work.
What I am proposing is just a polite convention, but if people agree with the reasoning behind it I think it will catch on. We have other etiquette rules that almost everyone follows, like not joining hunts uninvited and not trying to hunt the same area another group is hunting in. If people like my proposal and adopt it then I think we can deal with the folks who want to spoil the portals for everyone the same way we deal with people who do other rude things.
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AUTHOR: Commodus
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DATE: 08/11/2003 06:07:05 AM
I agree with Ruen. It was the moving of both portals that got me upset. I think its ok in moving one of the portals. I all I was trying to point out in court was that we need some etiquette and respect with the portals so everyone can enjoy them
We have other etiquette rules that almost everyone follows, like not joining hunts uninvited and not trying to hunt the same area another group is hunting in.
Commodus
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AUTHOR: Fundin
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DATE: 08/11/2003 06:25:10 AM
Having a fixed portal every chaos storm as Ruen suggested sounds good. Like you say first party to get it moving after the storm gets it fixed.
That said i reckon what we need is more portals, then everyone can be happy. Why cant we work out how/why they are here and build/discover/etc some more.
Fundin
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AUTHOR: Mjollnir
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DATE: 08/11/2003 06:47:38 AM
At the moment the portals are static, that is they dont move with the chaos storms.
Some rules of etiquette work and some dont, the problem in this instance is there is no way to inforce them and nothing you can do if people dont want to folow them.
If you are hunting in the south forest and some 5th circle fighter charges through slaughtering everything for coins and refuses to stop there is nothing you can do about it except stamp your foot and swear.
There are always people who dont want to play by your rules and will only follow their own.
If somebody decides to move the portals for their own gain or amusement there is nothing we can do but shrug our shoulders and attempt to move them back.
Rules like Dont hunt where another group is hunting or dont join a party univited work because they are things which in your place you wouldnt want to happen to you, something like do not move the portals wont affect those people who want to put it somewhere dangerous for their own amusement, they lose nothing by having the portals moved somewhere different.
When the 2nd portal was moved from town to ki that was done purely out of spite because the portal didnt go where that person thought it should go.
When it was moved even further into the middle of a lava pool in umbrions keep that was done for simple malicious mischief and so they could get a private laugh about the peoplewho portaled in and had to depart.
A rule of etiquette would not bind these people they have nothing to lose by ti being taken away from them.
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AUTHOR: Ruen
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DATE: 08/11/2003 08:53:16 AM
Mjollnir, I agree that the etiquette convention that I'm proposing would not be followed by the folks who moved the portal to the lava. As far as I can tell that was done by attention seeking bullies who enjoy being rude. I do think that the vast majority of the exiles would agree to the convention. There are penalties that can be imposed for breaking etiquette rule. Personally I'm planning on /ignoring those responsible since its clearly attention that they're seeking. I know they couldn't care less, I'm just some random newbie to them. If its 80% of town that's ignoring them, though, they might loose interest in leaving the library.
If the portals don't change with the chaos storms that's a bit of a wrinkle. Klur and Reye keep saying we should just move them if we don't like them where they are. I think this just proves they are bullies. I have 735 ranks. I'd like to see them try with four people who have that amount of training. Still, I have confidence that some group with super healers will move the portal out of the lava. I do think that moving them once per chaos storm is a reasonable interval.
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AUTHOR: Klur
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DATE: 08/11/2003 01:10:10 PM
"We have other etiquette rules that almost everyone follows, like not joining hunts uninvited and not trying to hunt the same area another group is hunting in."
I wonder how many will recall the history of this evolution as I do.
/ponder Game Warden
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AUTHOR: Michael
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DATE: 08/11/2003 05:59:55 PM
If this game is so boring, then why are you trolling on a CL related website? If the game sucks so bad what could be more boring than reading about it? Looser.
I have no problem with having the portals at different places for each storm. The problem is with the loosers taht will try to ruin it for everyone else just because they can.
Getting the portal out of the lava isnt to hard, its getting it off KI thats going to suck balls. As long as there are people like Klur in the world that can undo your several hours of work (yes thats how long it would take, and thats with a buff ass party) in 10 minutes why bother?
And yes we all still remember what an asshole you are and always have been Klur.
Posted by Para at August 09, 2003 09:09 AM