"However, when I run into it in places I don't approve of, I will do everything in my power to make sure it does not remain in those locations."

who the fuck do you think you are, you pompous peice of shit. "I don't approve of"

who the hell said YOU, PM, or ANYONE had to "approve" of where the teleporters are put.

you Disapprove? Fine. you want to move them? Fine.

but don't fucking post here all high and mighty like talking about how you "don't approve"

fuck you.

:)

On a psychological sidenote: did you notice the use of "I" in relation to the signing "Pogue Mahone"?

Sounds like soebody needs a spanking.

Great, ruin everyone else's fun. :(

I would like to point out that Klur was one of the exiles helping in the return of the portal from DP to SF.

On the contrary Phroon, I think the group that moved the portal from DP back to the Cloud had some fun. At least that's what I heard them say while they were doing it, as Klur, Althea, Reye and I were there assisting.

I think when the portal is on the cloud it benefits a lot of people who can't get in otherwise. I think that's a good place for it.

Klur is hardly alone in his dislike of the efforts to send the portal beyond Hatred's Hollow and beyond. Getting to the Foothills is a difficult and arduous journey that should only be undertaken by those willing to take the risks and spend the time needed to earn the rewards to be found there. Using the portals as shortcuts meant to get the reward while avoiding any risk at all cheapens the experience for all, especially those who have dedicated so much time and so many departs to mastering the place.

So if, as klur says, the portals are somehow moved to try to circumvent the price associated with the rewards of the Foothills, I'll gladly lend Klur a hand in moving the portals someplace appropriately nasty.

Really, Sareth! I expected something a little more dignified. sabotaging the portal thing because some people abuse it is like making Algy kill everybody because he was inappropriately used at some point. You sabotage it for those who abuse it, you sabotage it for all.

Yes, Lori, it was fun. It was a rather rare occurance (especially as of late) where many exiles came together to achieve a certain, goal that all will benefit from. Too bad that it has to be generated in a way that is frought with political animosity.

Dear Adventurer Community and Assorted Hoodlems;

I'm sincerely amazed you fighters/healers/mystics/cheesethiefs put up with Po Mahone's nonsence. If any of you had any gumption, you'd remove undesireables or dangerously self centered individuals from town.

So, they screw and screw and screw with everyone elses interests time and time again. And what do you do? You lay back and take it.

If you where wise, you'd sue their clan out of town and let them learn why it's not a good idea to crap where they eat.

cao'
Exile No. 3

Ah, and btw, get the hell off my lawn.

Exile No. 3

Sareth said: "Using the portals as shortcuts meant to get the reward while avoiding any risk at all cheapens the experience for all, especially those who have dedicated so much time and so many departs to mastering the place."

Kind of like that super, ultra-convenient path at the trainer's grotto that can only be gotten through by a select few cheapens the OOB experience? Of course, that path is only accessible if you happen to be lucky enough to get past those web-throwing noids deep in the back country enough times to train up to 130 pathfinding. Sure, it took a bit of effort to train to do that path (for those that have made it), but now that it's done, it's a cakewalk to DP for a few pathfinders.

Ghods forbid that somehow the everyday exile gets to wander into a place like the Grotto, just for a few days. Just a little change of scenery for the plain ol' exiles of Puddleby, made possible by whatever technology made that portal moveable in the first place. I even kind of liked the idea of being able to run off to DP via the portal with a crew to do some hunting, but I went along to retrieve the darned thing anyway. Honestly, I didn't have fun once we got past Hatred's Hollow. We used that afore-mentioned ulra-convenient path in the Grotto and avoided all of the OOB challenges I was looking forward to. I haven't had the time to go there in a long, long time.

Oh, and one last thing: I'm really tired of that whole "cheapens the experience for all" line. There are plenty of ooc closet characters who cheapen everyone and everything, but is there some attempt at really doing something about that? At least with something like the portal being moveable, someone like me who doesn't have the time to dedicate to a 3 hour hunt on a regular basis can go and have a little fun somewhere else for once.

I'd like to point out that if the GMs thought that puting either end of the portal in the FH for easy and quick access would be some sort of abuse of the portal powers then they would have made it so you couldn't move them to there.

Naw far as where they should go it makes sense to me to put them in the FH so they could be used to further explore them since that is what people are really wanting to do and that area has perhaps the most potencial for possible exploration of any.

Wont matter to me here in a bit, just two things I thought I would share.

Btw. Its by far easier to move the portal if you shut down one end of it (similar in fashon to the way it was shut down in the DP)

PM: So, you (general you) think that HH should not be circumvented to get to the foothills.. Obviously, however, no one who can't make it past the goddamn HH isn't going to make it past DP to get to the foothills, so what's the point? All it does is save time, and in this day and age, not all of our clanners get to spend 3+ hours at a time figuring out how to beat DP and the challenges beyond. However DP and such things have been beaten time and time again proving that obviously any group worth it's salt can make it by. Isn't it about time that these areas be opened up to the less fortunate folk who can't clan much? You've got the freaking rest of the foothills and Orga/noid territory under control, why not let some other people take a shot at areas a good hour or two away from the *real* challenges?

I have to agree with everybody here you may as well say that the permanent portal to EP cheapens the experience of getting there the long way.

Lots of people have tried to get to the foothills and had to depart not just the Pogues yet lots of the people who want to see it go to the foothills are the people who have been there sucessfully or have tried to go there and failed.

In the past lots of areas were a very high depart risk that have been conquered, the Valley, Ki, EP, the Abyss. alright none of them apart from EP take any significant effort to reach but that doesnt mean that an easier time of getting there cheapens what people did to reach it in the first place.

And it isnt that hard to reach the foothills anyway, all you have to do is gather a group and tip Zorton a few coins to teleport you there, does that cheapen the efforts of everybody who went before?

Putting the portal in the foothills would allow much more exploration at times when there is no mystic around to take you there, would allow Zorton to stop being forced to play the shuttlebus to the foothills and possably even allow groups to be rescued, think about that next time you go to the foothills the hard way and are forced to depart because you ran into something that you didnt expect, or you made a mistake, or you just didnt go prepared properly.

IMO everyone should be allowed to move it to whereever they want to move it to. It's nobody's name on it. If those 2nd or 3rd or whatever • fighters want to go to cloud they shall use the mirror. You could say that this is a bad idea, but you lived without that cloud fer a very long time, too. And if someone goes there to hunt via mirror, he has to be aware of the fact that noone around might be able to come fer a rescue. It's like that hunting preserver at south farm.

I think, this portal can be used to do some really great things and we should use it's powers.

Just my 2 coppers on that... :)

Thats fine, as soon as the cloud is freely accessable.
But since the mirror has only been opened 2 or 3 times there are probably only a few dozen people who can freely access it there are far more people who want to access the cloud but can only get in through the portal than cant.

If/When the mirror is permanently open the portal could be put to great use as a shortcut somewhere although its pretty much guarenteed that people will still squabble about where it should be a shortcut to

Why do people keep coming up with the argument "We lived without X for a long time so we can live without it now"?

There are lots of things we lived without for a long time and some people would think they are pretty essential, Ki, Cads, Purgatory pendants, sub-classes,an ethereal portal, the foothills, advanced pf, the list goes on.

We didnt have them before so we should be able to do without them now?
How is the cloud any different?