It was J'dy and Shard's idea...Many many exiles helped including but not just....NightBird,Merlisk, and Axia!

Interesting. Did those who moved it consult with other exiles beforehand, to see if this was something the community could agree upon?
Is this something designed only to benefit fighters? After all, the trainers there do not benefit mystics or healers. How will people get to the Dark Cloud now? Were these matters discussed?

Thanks
Para

It's slightly annoying -- no more quick trips ot the glacier for me!

Once again we see that shady character Merlisk involved in some underhanded deal.

I hate to sound like a grouch, but I thought that the cloud area was supposed to be for lowish to mid level people to have someplace else to hunt, that was relatively accessable. Now the high level folks have taken it away from us.

I'm actually pretty disappointed, too. I haven't had all that much opportunity to explore the cloud yet, and had sort of hoped the portal would be used to provide access until more folks could get through the mirror. The trainer's grotto really doesn't interest me very much.

ACTUALLY JDY IS TAKING CREDIT FOR OUR IDEA..

actually para someone else besides jdy moved it to east forsest and we got the idea that it would take WAY to long to get it to mirrors... ask whoever moved it if they consulted...

Well, all I can say is I'm very disappointed that some exiles did this, and I would like to help return the portal back to the Dark Cloud.

How exactly are we (the majority of players that can't use the Mirror) supposed to get to the Cloud now? I never did get through the mirror while the Cloud was in the SF (in fact, it never even got close any time I was playing), so the "Portal" in Falinea's Garden was THE ONLY WAY I've ever reached the Cloud.

Not to say I'm unhappy with an easy way to get to the Trainer Grotto (an incredible shortcut for people exploring that direction, even if you can't use the trainers)...

...but I was really enjoying having a place close to town that I could explore, and also hunt for money AND experience (and I could hunt solo when I can't find anyone to hunt with). I don't have time for many long hunts (ok, almost none since the baby arrived), and before the Cloud showed up there were NO places left for me to solo (nothing left to explore, and no place to get experience for that I can hunt solo...at least nothing close enough to town that I can get there, hunt, and get back quickly). The "solo" part is important because I'm often playing at times when there are less that 20 people playing (between 1AM and 6AM Central Time).

So...unless someone offers some way for those of us unlucky enough to miss the chance to make the SF Mirror work, I've lost the only real reason for me to log on with my primary character. Sorry if that sounds like whining, but it's true :P

Bitter Beer
Mongo

I will volunteer to help a party bring the portal back to the Dark Cloud. If anyone needs help with such an endeavor, just let me know.

Para

well well well, i understand that we non-privileged exiles are not entitle to enter the cloud. with the help of privileged exiles, we enter once before and now we are abandoned.

You realize, of course, that one end has been in either South Forest or East field for over a week now, right?

Some exiles just decided that taking it to the Trainer's Grotto would be fun since many fighters can't go there but still want to train with the trainers.

I happen to be one of the people that helped take HH so that one end could be moved to the Trainer's Grotto. I think it was PM and friends who moved it to DP or OOB or wherever it is now.

>You realize, of course, that one end has been in
>either South Forest or East field for over a week
>now, right?

That's a great defense.

It's kinda of pointless for everyone to bicker about where the portal goes. There will be no time that 100% of the people in CL agree with it, so any place is just as fair game as any other. There is no way that people could possibly decide on one place to put it for all eternity, and even then, rogue/independent groups will *always* be moving it to where they want. Deal with it. I feel sympathy for those that enjoyed the cloud, but there will be other times which you can get to the cloud, but for the moment, people moved it to the OOB-ish vicinity. And I'm sure that in time, many people might start to enjoy the availability of the orga area.

No, you are mistaken.

And there's nothing as pathetic as trying to end a debate with "that's how it is - deal with it." What that means is that your side of the argument is weak. And we will deal with it alright. Maybe with karma, maybe with other ways.

Any time someone says "deal with it" you know they are on the losing side of an argument.

Instead of simply saying "You are mistaken", it generally helps to make a few points, besides how I choose to debate.

If you think you can control who does what with the portals, be my guest to try, but it's a futile effort. A mob will never agree 100%. If you want the portal in the mirror, do the work and get it back in the mirror instead of whining at the people who do work to move it somewhere else.

Not that I moved it, actually, I couldn't care less either way. I enjoyed both the mirror, and a hunt to OOB recently which was expedited by the portals. I'm all for variety.

Have fun, I know you'll enjoy trying to control everyone else.

LOL

We'll have fun, you arrogant jerk! LOL!

Its pretty academic really until somebody gets a mob together to take DP and move it out, it was put there by the Pogues so they could laugh at the people who jumped in and arrived in the middle of DP half dead.

Pity for them it didnt work :) and even if it did corpses get teleported just like everybody else so once they fell they would be catapulted back to the green cloud

So, I'm arrogant for spelling out a point, and being mostly right about it, eh?

I invite you to contradict what I said. No one will have 100% control over the portals, as far as I can see. (The exception might be if an uber-elite group worked to put them in a very hidden and difficult-to-get-to place so that no one else would find/use them, in which case, we're no worse off than before the teleporters were first found. Which, actually, I wouldn't be too surprised if a group did this.)

it might be a pathetic way to end an argument but its true.
This portal has been bickered about since it appeared.
Everybody things they know best and it should only be used in the way that they thing best, whether that is so they can CW on the cloud, RW in OOB or use it as a shortcut somewhere.

Because anybody CAN move it somebody WILL move it end of story the only way its going to stay in one place is either by putting it in a place that it cant be retrieved from (as far as i know there is no such place) or the GMs decide to make it static

wouldnt work anyway, anybody could portal in either through the other portal or the actual mirrors on the cloud and mess them about, if they couldnt get them back to how they wanted with them they could at least move it out into a dangerous place.

for example if the portal led to the foothills safe cave somebody could portal in and drag into the passes and pendant out/depart/EPS out so that anybody who jumped in would come out half dead and then immediately be maimed by a barrage of pebbles

Sad sad sad that a potentially overall fun thing for many can be misused and abused for the benefit of a few. I have yet to be in the cloud at all, since the times I showed up it never was anywhere I could get at the portal (that in itself I consider a bit dumb). Too bad an intersting development degrades into petty squabbling. I hate to say "typical" but...

Oh, I'm also bemused by the flamers who don't have the nads to identify themselves. Pfft.

looks like many people love to go to the cloud. it was a great success but sadly not all can go in. isnt it ironic that most wanted place is isolated? it's cl way to defeat people or the gods afraid the cloud will fall down if too many people go there.

The portals are mobile, eh? They're going to end up where ever the exiles bring them.

I'm of the opinion that we should not get too attached to having these movable portals in one specific location with one specific destination. They're going to get moved around.

Duh, they are mobile. Everyone knows that, and we're all tired of hearing that. It's like the standard lame thing some people like to say whenever they suddenly wake up, leave the library for five minutes, and decide to insert their own brilliant 2 cents of commentary. Yes, they are mobile. (And for the next few people who decide to offer this bit of wisdom: Yes, they are mobile. Yes, they are mobile.)

The point is that moving them someplace where they no longer work (like the last group did) is stupid and self-centered. And people will hold you responsible.

Algernon is mobile too. And guess what, if you move him around, hide him or injure him, there are repercussions. It ticks people off, and people want to know why you did it, and where you took him. And they want to put him back. Well, what a surprise, it looks like the portal might be something similar.

In other words: yes, the portal is mobile. But just like with moving Algernon out of town, you might find that if you move it around, people might get upset about it.